Eric Ruberg

opinions on direct indexing on platforms like public.com

6.6mo
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Hi All- Curious if anyone is investing via directing indexing on a platform like public.com. Any major pitfalls? I know it's slightly more expensive but with the ability to tax harvest seems like it would more than make up for it?

Thanks,

Eric

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[+] Roberto Sánchez · 6.6mo · 1 reply
Roberto Sánchez Roberto Sánchez · 6.6mo

What problem are you trying to solve?

[+] Eric Ruberg OP · 6.6mo · 1 reply
Eric Ruberg Eric Ruberg OP · 6.6mo

The ability to easily tax harvest induvial stocks that are grouped together like an index fund. I guess you can set up filters to sell when certain thresholds are reached. So you could have S&P 500 stocks, but the ability to sell only some of the stocks. I guess you can own partial shares. i'm new to this concept so still learning.

[+] Roberto Sánchez · 6.6mo · 1 reply
Roberto Sánchez Roberto Sánchez 66 · 6.6mo

Suppose that you individually purchase each of the 500 or so stocks that go into an S&P 500 index fund (and in the appropriate amounts to preserve the market capitalization weightings). Now, the stocks start bouncing around, and you decide to sell some shares of some specific stock(s) in order to tax harvest. You no longer have an index fund that matches the conventional S&P500 index fund model.

If you are interested in tax loss harvesting, keep in mind that losses can only offset ordinary income up to the amount of $3,000 in a given tax year (with excess being carried forward). If you have other investment/capital losses (i.e., not ordinary income) then those get offset first. But if you have losses outside of the "index" fund you are creating, then you should consider just getting out of those investments altogether, rather than trying to offset losses in those investments by gains in the index. And if you are trying to offset gains in other investments with losses in the index, you are liable to end up working very hard for not a great deal of overall return value. And in the process you will skew the "index" into something that is "not an index."

It sounds to me like you are thinking of letting the tax tail wag the dog. I like what Brad and several guests (notably Sean Mullaney, the FI tax guy) have suggested a number of times. That is, make your investment decisions in such a way as to maximize the return (and this includes return on hassle, in addition to the raw numeric return). Then, make tax decisions to optimize after that. Otherwise, you are likely to sacrifice lots of return for potentially very small tax optimizations. Remember, paying taxes is "good" in the sense that it is a sign you are winning.

[+] Eric Ruberg OP · 6.6mo
Eric Ruberg Eric Ruberg OP · 6.6mo

Those are some great points. Appreciate your input, Roberto! Thanks.

[+] Del S · 6.5mo · 1 reply
Del S Del S · 6.5mo

Given that a small set of stocks count for a majority of the returns, it seems like you'd be better off guaranteeing you hold those and just don't sell until you need income.

+1 on the "tax tail wagging the investment dog" suggestion.

[+] Eric Ruberg OP · 6.5mo
Eric Ruberg Eric Ruberg OP · 6.5mo

Thanks Del. Appreciate the input.

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